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Communication to Leonard Nimoy and Bill Shatner: ([livejournal.com profile] len_not_spock, [livejournal.com profile] canadianbill)


Greetings, gentlemen,

As I had previously indicated to Leonard, I am free this evening. If you desire to engage in a meal with me, please arrive at my quarters at 18:00. If you no longer desire to engage in a meal, please contact me.

Spock.





Spock regarded her table slowly, intensely, as she searched for an error in the presentation. She had acquired a third chair and a slightly larger table, had moved the furniture away from its position against the wall, and had set out a casual array of utensils. Idly, she wondered if a more formal experience had been implied. She had no recollection of such implication, however, so she permitted the concern to pass.

The food, mostly replicated, rested in the center of the table. The menu was entirely vegetarian, and mostly vegan, though two of the human dishes contained animal bi-products. Spock, herself, had no moralistic objections to products obtained by nondestructive means, if her guests did, she could recycle the dishes and alter the menu.

Spock turned her attention the chronometer on her desk. It was very nearly the previously scheduled time.

Date: 2010-01-14 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
The last time he had spoken with Spock in person, Bill had undoubtedly enjoyed himself immensely. He reminded himself of this fact every time his mind decided to question the level of formality implied by the term 'engage in a meal'. She was fun. Len had agreed.

It wouldn't be awkward, he told himself as he rang the chime, with a brief glance at Len. There was always something to talk about.

Date: 2010-01-14 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
Leonard shot Bill a sidelong glance.

"You're not nervous, are you?"

There was nothing obvious, but he knew all of Bill's tells by heart now. And it struck him as somewhat perplexing, given how enthusiastic Bill had been after his first meeting with this particular Spock.

Date: 2010-01-14 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
Bill smiled sheepishly, and shook his head. "Not really. Just - Spocks are always a little formal in messages, aren't they?"

This, and he didn't want Spock to think he was boring, essentially. But the formality had certainly contributed. He had no doubt it would swiftly dissipate.

He returned his gaze to the door, waiting.

Date: 2010-01-14 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
Though it was no longer required by implied traditional convention, as she had removed her holiday decorations, Spock preferred answering her door personally. As the chime rang, Spock stood from her desk and moved to the entrance of her quarters. It parted as she activated the panel and revealed her intended guests.

"Bill Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, welcome" Spock acknowledge both of them and stepped aside. "Please come in."

Date: 2010-01-14 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
God, she was still stunning. Yes.

Bill smiled at her as he stepped past her and into the room. He remembered, again, not to hold out his hand, and, again, was proud of himself. "Spock. Thanks for inviting us."

Date: 2010-01-14 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
"Yes," Leonard agreed, smiling warmly at her as he entered the room, taking in the set table.

"This looks lovely." If a little lacking on the meat for Bill's tastes, but he was sure Bill could survive one evening without. In fact, the idea amused some very childish part of him.

Date: 2010-01-14 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"I hope the food is sufficient," Spock began as she closed the door and stepped away, into the room. "I was not informed of any individual dietary nuances.

"Please, take a seat," Spock motioned to the table as she moved around to her own seat. "I have provided water, however, if you desire something else, I can replicate alternatives."

Spock was not much for small talk, as it were, but she had a few points of discussion she desired to bring up once her guests were comfortably situated.

Date: 2010-01-14 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
In response to Spock's invitation, Bill sat, surveying the spread on the table as he did so.

"Well," he said, "for someone who wasn't informed of any dietary nuances, you've actually managed kosher pretty well." He laughed. "Otherwise known as The Dietary Nuance My Mother Would Be Unhappy To Realise I Don't Really Keep Any More."

He caught her eye and smiled, just to make sure she didn't think he was being insulting. "Water is fine, thank you."

As Leonard had surmised, he always felt vegetarian meals to be somehow incomplete, but his feelings about this were not so extreme that he would express them to a host/ess.

(It seemed oddly wrong to consider Spock a hostess. She was, after all, Spock. The word conjured images of Stepford wives.)

Besides, this way he got to do fewer sit-ups.
Edited Date: 2010-01-14 08:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-01-14 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"Very well," Spock answered evenly. "I had not considered religious requirements when I constructed this menu." Spock's admission was slow, thoughtful. "I would dislike being the root cause of your mother's unhappiness."

Spock turned her perfectly placid look to Leonard. "I hope I shall not have to apologize to your mother, as well." Had she been anything but Vulcan, it would have obviously been jest.

"I find that meals which end in written apologies are frequently distasteful," Spock continued flatly, "...though often worth attending."

Date: 2010-01-14 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
Bill smiled. "No, no," he clarified, hurriedly, "this is acceptably kosher. I'm just saying that this is the only dietary requirement we could possibly have had, and you've met it, which would in fact make my mother very happy indeed, if she wasn't dead. So, um. No apologies."

Of course, he thought, nobody in the future seemed to think about old Earth religions at all. Let alone Vulcans in the future.

"Do you have a religion, on Vulcan?" he asked, suddenly curious as to whether this was the sort of thing that would be considered flatly illogical.
Edited Date: 2010-01-14 09:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-01-14 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
"Besides," Leonard added, "we've both been terrible at keeping kosher for the entirety of our lives, so even if this wasn't, it would hardly make much impact, in the grand scheme of things."

He considered Spock curiously, waiting for her answer to Bill's question. He'd always just assumed that Vulcans would consider religion wildly illogical.

Date: 2010-01-14 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
Spock blinked as she took her own seat. It was a topic, in fact, that she had a rather extensive working knowledge of, and uncommon enough to give her pause. Spock considered her answer and regarded Bill.

"There are...a few lingering schools of thought," Spock admitted. "Though most are more...lightly regarded, there is a single school that is still sparsely practiced.

"At least," Spock disclaimed, "In my own universe.

"It does not have dietary requirements."

Date: 2010-01-14 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
Actually, thinking about it...

"You wouldn't happen to mean the Kohlinar, would you?"

Date: 2010-01-14 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
"Oh," Bill said, remembering. "Yeah, I remember that - is that part of some kind of religion? Or was it originally? Or is it just cultural?"

Date: 2010-01-14 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"The Kohlinar?" Spock prompted and her brows rose. Curious. She did not inquire as to how he knew of this discipline, it was not a closely kept secret.

"The Kohlinar is the ultimate form of internal control," Spock responded. "It is the goal of emotional suppression through eradication. In truth, it is the precise opposite of the religion found on Vulcan.

"The Odva, or Belief, was in the fortuitous nature of emotions as the device through which God and the universe communicated themselves to lesser, non-supernatural beings," Spock elaborated. "It is, and has been for several millennia, very unpopular.

"Admittedly, you are not incorrect in your assumption that the Kohlinar is religious, as many believe it is tantamount to a clear perception of the universe, a common religious goal. It is, however, an unverified route to that goal, and thus had yet to obtain a religious connotation."

Date: 2010-01-14 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
"Of course." That made by far more sense. "So, the Odva - would this be the origin of the concept of Sha-ka-ree? Does it support the free expression of emotion, as one of its basic tenets?"

The script of the film had been truly dire, it seemed... even more bizarre than anything else that this part would actually represent the truth.

Date: 2010-01-14 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
Spock stared for several seconds at Leonard Nimoy. While Kohlinar was not a closely kept secret, Sha-ka-ree was not something even occasionally discussed.

"It seems you are sufficiently informed of the Odva, at present," Spock replied evenly. "Though it was my understanding that freedom of experience, rather than outward expression, defined the underlying emotivity."

Date: 2010-01-14 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
Bill was shaking his head. "God, you know, I really thought we made that up. I'm amazed every time something else turns out to have been right, or nearly right."

He looked at Spock curiously. "Isn't it true, though, that Vulcans do experience emotion pretty freely anyway, unless they've taken the Kohlinar? You know - you guys love and hate and get pissed off just like humans do, so the expression of it is kind of the only difference." He paused. "Was my understanding."

He wondered whether Spock's array of tabs were evidence of a freer expression than was common.

Date: 2010-01-15 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"It is a highly personal topic," Spock began, "With extensive and vastly varied data. I am only capable of self-reference in this particular field.

"I do not experience emotion as humans do, in the same fashion that humans do not experience touch with the same faculties as Vulcanoids." Spock lifted her water and took a short sip of it. "The vehlinar, precludes the vast majority of complex emotional states. Because of it, most Vulcan's do not recognize or experience the complex reactive triggers that would generate higher emotion. The kohlinar is an exercise in the removal of basic...visceral emotive reaction.

"I have engaged in one, though not the other," Spock continued. "Odva...encourages the constant feeling and awareness of these emotions in an entirely separate fashion from either alternate discipline. It is not dissimilar from the sympathetic telepathy practiced by several species."

Date: 2010-01-15 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
"So in essence," Leonard attempted to translate to the best of his abilities, "you prevent these more complex emotional states from arising by controlling the more visceral ones?" It certainly sounded... neat, at the face of it. "What would you consider complex emotional states in the first place, then?"

Date: 2010-01-15 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"It is a common precept that the most basic of emotional states are: fear, rage, joy, revulsion, and shock," Spock replied. "Anything else is a derivative emotion, and thus more complex."

Date: 2010-01-15 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
Bill frowned. "Wait - so, lust is complex?"

Date: 2010-01-15 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] science-blues.livejournal.com
"Yes." Spock blinked. "It is...technically regarded as a combination of joy, rage, and fear. I believe this is a specifically Vulcan interpretation."

Date: 2010-01-15 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadianbill.livejournal.com
"Huh." Bill nodded, slowly, surprised. He had thought, with the pon farr -

"I think humans tend to see it as pretty basic, primitive feeling. You know - want. Take. And then the complex bit is not doing that."

Date: 2010-01-15 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] len-not-spock.livejournal.com
"I tend to agree," Leonard piped up. "Although I'd be interested in hearing your logical analysis of why it is a composite."

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